we’ve all read at least 2 or 17 blog posts by someone who is leaving San Francisco for greener pastures.
sadly i failed to write my own retrospective when i left in 2016 after a year of working in venture capital, then a portfolio startup, and then founding my own company.
but recently these posts have become… overplayed? obligatory? even self-loathing at times, in that authors seem to feel guilty about writing them.
this weekend i decided to explore what’s happening through a Very Unofficial and Statistically Insignificant meta study. here goes.
methodology
first i found public blog posts written by someone either in the process of moving from San Francisco, or recently moved. no “my friend moved” heresy or “i think i want to move” speculation.
to find these posts i used Google’s Site Search feature to dig into 3 popular publishing platforms: Medium, WordPress.com, and Quora.
site:medium.com "leaving san francisco"
i used a free Chrome extension, MozBar, to download 24 pages of results for keywords including:
- leaving san francisco
- left silicon valley
- goodbye san francisco
- moving away from silicon valley
- etc etc
for good measure i swam into the deep end of search results, aka Pages 5-10, for self-hosted posts by tech-bro.com/ciao-sf.
sample size
after merging ~250 results into a Google Sheet i confirmed which stories were relevant by manually clicking each link. some posts were just vacation recaps or students reflecting on a semester abroad.
after scrubbing we hit n=137
. for a copy of all the data go here.
leaving silicon valley metadeta
before we can analyze “why i’m leaving San Francisco” stories for interesting patterns, we need more context.
i decided to grab a few things from each post:
- title
- meta description
- language
- published at (timestamp)
- word count
oh, and every single word, minus “5.3k claps” or “182 comments” type junk.
to do this i first considered HTTP parsing libraries like Mechanize and Nokogiri, however Quora and increasingly Medium use JavaScript to plant elements, e.g. article timestamps, after DOM ready.
Ruby Watir FTW. i wrote a ScraperOfLove
utility that spun up a headless browser, visited each url, extracted the attributes above, and spit it out into a new CSV (“stories_clean” tab in data dump).
assumptions
for White Claws and giggles i made 3 predictions before crunching the numbers:
- people leave San Francisco because it’s expensive, dirty, and dangerous
- people leave because they get burned out at work
- people leave because they fail to build a big company
take a moment and make your own predictions before moving on, or just keep reading because this is not that serious.
stats about leaving San Francisco
i don’t know anything about math. let’s start with a few basics.
“custom” == custom website, e.g. a self-hosted WordPress. i tried more CMS site searches like “ghost.io” but it appears they don’t index non-vanity URLs.
*2020 is a project; n=6 stories publiished before February 3
this is unfair (correlation vs causation) because blogging, particularly on Medium, has exploded since 2016. still makes me snicker.
“keyword” == search query by which i found the post on Google. there is obviously some overlap here.
trend analysis
the basics suggest two things:
- people are increasingly leaving San Francisco
- Medium.com, an unofficial non-profit, is the best place to write “your truth” for maximum exposure
but what else can we infer? i want to know why people are leaving.
i combined all 127,252
words (raw here) and with another line of Ruby created a word frequency map:
{"the"=>5162, "to"=>3880, "and"=>3657, ...}
to remove filler words i eyeballed a sorted version and extracted only those words with 5-125 occurrences. i plugged them into MagicCloud and created this totally useless illustration:
a better solution would be some ML or sentiment analysis that scans entire phrases. or at least some regex. but i ain’t got time fo’ dat.
so i threw the frequency map in a Google Sheet and looked for patterns the old fashioned way: with my bare hands (+ =SUMIF()
).
i grouped my queries by theme:
- cities – where are people going to, or coming from?
- states – same as cities
- regions – (Northwest, East Coast, etc)
- titles – what roles did these people have?
- topics – lifestyle preferences, current issues
here’s what that looks like… word on the left, # mentions on the right.
cities / states / regions
without Real Data Science it’s impossible to understand where people are moving to, but Portland’s disproportionate mention count && smaller population suggest San Franciscans have a soft spot for the “city where young people go to retire.”
NYC most popular mention by far
anecdotally the SFO > NYC move is quite popular, and exactly what i did in 2016. for the bored my entire career: ATL > NYC > SFO > NYC > ATX.
jobs and roles
i was surprised at how seldom “junior” was written, e.g. “jr developer.” either employees stick around awhile before calling it quits on San Francisco, or they lie about their job title.
reasons people leave San Francisco
here we look at just the “topics” results from our frequency word map. after reading at least 20 of these posts as a normal human, i observed they usually go something like this:
- moved here to do Y
- Z happened which changed my Y
- tried A and then B but now i’m C
- going to try and do Y somewhere else
by consolidating the topics into categories i think we get a peek into narratives #2-3. here i’ve done just that.
check how i’ve grouped each topic into 1 of 4 categories here (visuals tab).
now, leaving SF on account of it being expensive is obviously a sound reason. but according to Investopedia, NYC is still the #1 most expensive city in the USA. yet with NYC as the leading “city” mention in our story collection, it sort of makes you wonder…
if you’re leaving San Francisco because it’s expensive, why would you move to NYC, where it’s even more expensive?
this didn’t sit right with me.
caveats to “goodbye San Francisco” stories
my personal opinion, backed by absolutely no data, is that social issues like homelessness, poor sanitation, harassment, and lack of safety is the real culprit to San Francisco’s mass exodus. but when i tried to find this in the content (searching “piss” or “dirty”, for example) i got near nil.
maybe techies don’t want to speak poorly of a city that made their career. or maybe we’re in denial. you decide.
another insight from category aggregation is how highly “politics” and namely, Trump, were included in someone’s written decision to leave San Francisco.
by no means am i claiming anyone needs to like the president, but California and San Francisco in particular are run by some of the most progressive democrats in our nation’s history. thus i’m curious how conservatives or Trump have anything to do with one’s departure.
finally, failure. i grouped “funding” and “unicorn” and “equity” (among others) into the success at work category. given 90% of startups fail, i find that just 15% of leave-reasons being related to professional success to be a little low, slash unbelieveable.
that said, i’ve also met engineers (moreso than marketers) who’ve lived in the valley 10+ years, jumping from startup to startup, each running out of money on a near perfect 18 month schedule.
summary
if there’s one thing magical about San Francisco it is this: you can move there, fail over and over again, never “make it,” and never leave either.
if you are smarter than me and want to do something with the data, please go ahead.
to add an article i missed to the index, tweet at me. to complain about my arithmetic, leave a comment.
Very interesting, thank you for sharing this
you want me to complain: ok, your arithmetic sux!
I’m old enough to remember when even word processors were capable of CAPITAL letters.
If I had a dollar for every “Why I’m leaving San Francisco” post, I’d be a millionaire.
Ex: “for the bored my entire career:”. Should be “For the bored , over my entire career:”
First, learn to punctuate and capitalize properly. It’s basic written-English etiquette. Not to mention it’s super annoying reading through this because you are too lazy to use proper grammar.
You post is so bad, that someone on HackerNews wrote Javascript to properly capitalize this.
We don’t miss you and we don’t care that you left San Francisco.
Good Riddance.
YOUR post …
DUH!
Honesty tempered with kindness is preferred, please
For at least twenty years, SFO has been among the highest cost of living cities in the U.S.A. What I do find a bit surprising is that your analysis didn’t seem to uncover anything socio-political, such as immigration, fecal deposits, or rent legislation, even though you have taken care to discredit the “study” as pseudo-statistical. Large tech companies have discarded the previously taboo discussion of relocating their headquarters from where ever they resided but are not fully engaged in scouting, challenging, and transitioning to states with preferable economic advantages (i.e., no personal income tax, lower cost of living, etc.). Conclusively, Texas, Washington, Utah, Florida, and Nevada are seeing either relocation of headquarters or significant infrastructure in “satellite” headquarters.
The question I am still puzzling over is why FGA(-Amazon) decided to remain and build mega campuses in economically and politically fault zones.
i tried to focus on personal departures vs moving company headquarters. those type of posts are less common and very buttoned up. Stripe e.g. is not going to say they are moving because there’s human feces everywhere. a Medium post might.
as usual. the smartest comments around
Too lazy to use caps?
SFO is the airport. You mean San Francisco or SF.
nyc is ‘expensive’ but not in the same way sf is expensive— there are a lot of parts where you can still very live much in the city, without paying manhattan rents.
versus in SF if you want city living, you pay through the nose, and often deal with an awful 1hr+ commute to silicon valley. or if you don’t live in the city, you have the added expense of a car or a bunch of tradeoffs living carfree
fair!
my apartment in SF (8th / mission, brand new building) was a studio for $3,500. my 1 bedroom loft in NYC, a year later, was also $3,500. so rent wins in NY.
but in SF i found groceries much cheaper (Safeway @ 4th / King) whereas NYC (non Whole Foods too) easily 1.5x+ more. but don’t stop there: NYC still has $1 slices of pizza; no such thing in SF AFAIK.
and on and on. definitely a different CPI in play.
You nailed it. Period.
The topic of Leaving Silicon Valley has NOTHING to do with the topic of leaving San Francisco. San Jose (my home town) and SF are like a pair of dysfunctional siblings. San Jose is less liberal (but not as conservative as it was when I was a kid there), a touch less expensive, and far more suburban than SF despite being THE hub of technology in the Bay Area. So your “metadata” of ‘leaving silicon valley metadeta’ is not a real dataset at all for this.
thanks Bob, i look forward to reading your superior approach to the issue
You forgot to mention people like me, born and bred in the Bay Area and pushed out because we can’t afford to buy homes and start families. The Bay is more than just tech companies and fecal matter, its actual people.
New York doesn’t want anyone who writes “goodbye silicon valley”. Go somewhere else.
Very interesting analysis. Just one comment. You are puzzled why the most common reason for leaving is cost of living, but then people seem to move to New York, which is the most expensive city in the country. My theory is that people talk about cost of living in San Francisco, but they actually mean “value”. In SF the cost of living is astronomical, but the quality of life is poor, unless you can afford escaping to wine country or other beautiful Californian places. New York on the other end is more expensive, but it offers much more in terms of quality of life, cultural events, creativity, sanitation, management of homelessness etc. (Crazy to think of NYC as clean and safe, but compared to SF…).
In this sense, if you are a person seeking urban life, in New York you get what you pay for: the quintessential urban living. In SF you pay almost the same amount, but this is a terrible city, dirty, unable to manage severe social issues, crime and sanitation and at the same time there is an incredibly homogeneous cultural background, lack of creative energy (unless you are an app designer or a software engineer) and very limited subculture (other than a very dark and date one). In this sense, given the similar cost of living between SF and NYC, SF offers far less value.
That’s my theory, how to prove it, I’m not sure.
great point. cost != value. i definitely get more value in NYC… things to do, ease of getting around, networking outside the obvious (tech startup scene), etc.
What, exactly, is your problem with capitalization? Is your shift key malfunctioning? Are you somehow exempt from the rules of formatting? Are you typing this on your phone? Is this your way of showing us what a maverick you are?
yeah Ron i’m exempt, check the list
Excerpt from Where people go when they leave the Bay Area
Using data to look at regional turnover. by Dan Kopf
“People in families making over $100,000 are most likely to leave for Washington, but those making less than $60,000 are most likely to head for Texas. Finally, older people tend to head for Arizona and Nevada, while 25-39 year olds have the highest probability of going to Texas and New York.”
And there is much more wonderful data in the article, published last month.
https://goldenstatswarrior.substack.com/p/where-people-go-when-they-leave-the
thanks for sharing! bummed i didn’t see this first.
I spent all of college typing in lowercase online to differentiate the worlds of English homework and online freedom… Liking the brand, fam!
Currently straining under $4,800 rent, I can say this article was at the very least therapeutic to my roommate. We took turns reading paragraphs aloud in funny voices tonight. Thank you for your graphs depicting our potential future.
top comment
This was highly entertaining and would agree, therapeutic. I think the next one should be “Why Haters Gon’ Hate (A meta study on the comments section)”
thank you. your methodology, assumptions, and process are all very clear. Anyone complaining about grammar missed the point.
possible conclusion: even though people decide to write about and publish their personal travails and decisions, they won’t be completely honest (because hey this is public).
MakEs mE 1der.
100%
great exercise – surprised that family considerations aren’t on the list, but maybe buried in the “expensive” variable.
For me, leaving came down to a complex push/pull. I was ready to go, but had to find a great opportunity to pull me out. Income up, costs down, quality of life way up.
Yes, it was expensive for a person who works for a living, pancaked between the extremely wealthy, the tax-insulated boomer home owners and landlords, and the poverty stricken and mentally ill. Yes, the politics are monolithic, intolerant, corrosive, and corrupt. Yes, you must participate in the illegal labor economy for basic services. Yes, there’s a big suicide cluster on the peninsula, including children. But the opportunities and the tech talent are amazing.
i agree! i owe a lot of my success to San Francisco even if i don’t want to admit it.
This is quite the succinct comment. Definitely know your stuff (I grew up with the kids from the Peninsula cluster and feel like the families in the wealthy suburbs can be really insular).
I’d be interested in seeing where people were raised and where people moved from, prior to arriving in SF.
The most common denominator (aside from rent) I’ve seen for people who moved to SF, then make a big deal about all the reasons they are leaving is they come from suburban/non metro existences.
They bring their suburban expectations to an urban place and are shocked that they get confronted with a set of sociological issues they’ve never seen before.
i think this argument would hold more water if there were as many “leaving NYC,” “leaving ATL” type posts. but are there?
With respect to ‘social’ density, SF is much more dense than ATL or NYC. What I mean is in the 7×7, where people spend their work or social time is much more concentrated than those other cities. People are exposed to more of the daily maladies of urban life and the roadkill of 2020 America.
E.g. Twitter/Uber/PimentoLoaf.com in the mid-market area. Hiring like crazy from all over the country/world. Then the new hires get exposed to some of the most unfortunate victims of contemporary society (mental illness, substance abuse, homelessness, etc) on a daily basis.
Not as true in ATL or NYC.
Yes, as mentioned I grew up in NY and lived in Boston for 7 years before coming here. Would not move back except for a limited two year (grad school I’m interested in)
You said:
“by no means am i claiming anyone needs to like the president, but California and San Francisco in particular are run by some of the most progressive democrats in our nation’s history. thus i’m curious how conservatives or Trump have anything to do with one’s departure.”
Perhaps those comments to which you refer are along the lines of “i can no longer stand how most of the people disrespect the president” etc. You seem to assume that most of the folks leaving SF arrived when it and California were the liberal entities that they now are. When I moved to SF, Ronald Reagan was president. When I moved away a few years ago it was because of crime, rampant drug use and the liberal policies which allowed them to florish.
yes, liberal policies destroy cities. but i kinda doubt most people are leaving because they are pro Trump lol.
Liberal policies destroy cities?
You undermine any legitimate arguments you may have by circulating that trope.
The chronic underfunding of mental health (led by Reagan era politics) and subsequent expansion of the criminal justice system are all flagship conservative policy planks.
The rampant pro-developer strain of urban design contributes to new construction at prices that price out middle/working class people. Again, this is a conservative policy position.
WTF is ATX?
i used airport names. Austin
Great post, and something I’ve always wondered about.
I think homelessness and seeing/smelling poop (which are basically the same problem) isn’t a reason to move from SF. These issues are actually fairly localized to a few neighborhoods that account for less than 10% of the geography of the city. I’ve lived in the western and southern neighborhoods for 15 years, and I’ve never seen human feces, and we have few homeless people.
If seeing poor, desperate people really bothers you, you can just move apartments. Moving cities won’t solve the problem — the housing crisis is nearly universal now. SF’s just a bit worse than other places.
A suggestion for your next study: “Why do people who have left San Francisco spend so much time looking in their rear mirrors? ” or to put it another way: ” Why are people who left San Francisco so fixated on their past (i.e. justifying why they left), as opposed to being enthusiastic about the future (their new homes elsewhere)?” Later, Carpetbaggers! You won’t be missed.
my hunch is that most SF die-hards are staying primarily due to denial. and denial’s manifestation is overt defensiveness when someone says “i disagree that X is true” instead of mutual respect for differences in preference. your “you won’t be missed” cliche is the ultimate tell of your own denial, and for that we thank you.
Given its your first day in NY, I feel sorry for you. Going from west to east is going to seriously mess your life up when you realize what you are dealing with.
Just as New Yorkers would never let people crap on their streets all day long they may have little patience for you.
your ignorance is fascinating. i clearly wrote that i already lived in NYC, then moved to SF and back again, a few years ago. given it’s your first day learning how to read, i feel sorry for you.
Here is the Why I Love and am staying after 35 years, from a native New Yorker who also lived in Boston for 7 year. Stunning physical beauty with huge amounts of green space and low density, easy access to open space hiking, great state parks system for camping with the kid and multiple beautiful national parks within a few hours drive. Miles of gorgeous clean-beach coastline.You can literally surf in the morning and ski in the afternoon in both SF and SoCal. Try that in NYC! Takes two hours just to get out of that city into some thick suburbs.Here, you’re 15 minutes into Peninsula Open Space for miles of near-wilderness. Distinct neighborhoods and strong communities like my Portola, the “Garden District of San Francisco”. The ethnic diversity not just restaurants but all the cultural celebrations. Fantastic museums, world class opera and symphony and ballet plus lots of alternative music, comedy clubs etc. I may not take advantage of it as much as I used; to but it is there for the taking. While people complain about the public schools, we had no issue with the assignment process; getting second choice for elementary, first choice for middle and admitted to both competitive-entry high schools, Lowell and School of the Arts. My kid thrived in a Spanish Immersion program kinder through 8th (totally fluent now) and small size artsy SOTA was a great fit for her quirkiness. I think perhaps in a year and a half you really didn’t see and do what SF has to offer, too scared by syringes and poop on the streets. As to that- I was back in Manhattan a year and a half ago and it was filthy. Urine smells all over the street and subways (July heat didn’t help) plenty of homeless in subways and on streets and in parks; rats the size of cats stalking us as we ate sandwiches in Wash Square Park (also full of homeless). They don’t “bin” their trash or compost or recycle; so punctured plastic bags all over the sidewalks and street, stinking in summer heat, being scavenged by pigeons and rats. You’ll love it! Co-worker recently returned from Paris complaining of the homeless aggressive beggars and large amounts of trash especially cigarette butts; and the horrible smoke in cafes and restaurants. As to housing prices, unless you luck into a co-op or rent-controlled flat and want to be a long-term renter, buying anything in NYC will be as tough as SF. Less than 5 years ago I bought a two bedroom fixer-upper cottage with a great yard and view of the Bay in a nice neighborhood for a mere $560k. Yep I got lucky but there was a second cottage available at same time with huge yard and incredible view that went for $555k; so it was not a fluke. There were plenty of fixer homes just south in Daly City, SSF, cute town of Brisbane etc all in the $600k range. That may not exist now five years later; but if you look at many other areas like Seattle, Boston, NYC, DC area it is the same. You’d have a heck of a commute from an affordable area of VA into DC for example (my dad lived there). So, depends what you want. Big yard and spare bedroom and a triple garage in a boring midwestern suburb, you’ll never hear gunshots or see a syringe but you’ll be lucky to get mediocre take-out Chinese food, no microbreweries on the Russian River; your kids will grow up with no ethic diversity or language programs (until that two years in HS) and no Asian Art Museum. And they still have plenty of teen suicide and bullying (esp if kid is perceived as or identifies as queer) and lots of opiate and other drug abuse. Limited public transit means chauffer your kids everywhere until they are 17 at which point yu have to get them a car, pay the insurance and hope they don’t drink and drive. My kid was transportation independent by 12 or 13 on free MUNI (which is not the best system, NYC subway is better). I LOVE NYC I’d love to live there for a year or two but honestly it is noisy, congested and dense, canyons of tall buildings blocking the sun, just as dirty/homeless and the weather gets pretty unpleasant both summer and winter. Oh yeah our weather is another good reason! Palm trees and parrots not Boston winters or Seattle rains.
I should just add I’ve been lucky with affordable housing in SF for the past 35 years. A rent-controlled flat in Alamo Square with some fun housemates and less than $500 a month for 13 years. After an owner-occupy eviction, found a kind landlady renting a three bedroom house with garage and huge yard in Portola District for $1500 eventually increased to $2020; for the next 16 years. Had a housemate in third room for a while; then a spouse to share the rent, hence it was never”unaffordable”. Then in position to buy the modest house five years ago. My mortgage is $2037. You think SF taxes are bad? Um why do they call it Taxachusetts? And NYC taxes- whew! Big reason my parents retired from NY down to VA. Throw in some winter utility bills or summer air-con bills for NY, Boston, Seattle, Tx. and the midwest. Keep in mind SF salaries are also way above national averages- as a nurse I make almost three times what my Vermont cousin nurse makes; and she has ten years more experience & higher skill level/certifications than me. My 22 year old kid already has several housing options open to her if she doesn’t want to live with me after graduation; including family friends with a downstairs suite they rent off-market to folks they know, for a modest price; or her boyfriend’s family home with extra bedrooms. If you can work the housing piece, and consider the less glam ‘hoods like Excelsior, Portola, middle Sunset and mid-Richmond; work the connections to find those off-market in-law units- you’ll be fine.
OK one final point ((really)). If this matters to you- the SF farmer’s markets and even chain grocery stores with abundance of very locally grown, organic produce at prices very close to non-organic. Ditto for organic/ethically raised chicken/eggs. If you are raising kids or care about your own body getting organic, this is the place. Visited my dad in rural VA in mid summer and shocked to see paucity of produce- nothing organic and pretty much limited to iceberg lettuce, tomatoes, cukes, apples, bananas and oranges- most grown far away, covered with wax or plastic shrink-wrapped and trucked in. Here in SF I have a citrus grove with 5 varieties ((TRUTH)) winter and summer vegetables and a heritage apple tree. Neighbors have chickens- fresh eggs! And roses year round and orchids- well don’t get me started.wide-variety, quality super fresh locally-grown organic produce/food is one of those hidden bonuses people in Boston or Minneapolis don’t get.
Uh…rural Virginia. You can’t compare rural Virginia to anything. You think SF is the only place with local farmers markets, fresh eggs and produce? Are you kidding?
I lived in SF 89 – 93 and worked in Union Square. It was dirty then and even worse now. Walking on needles in Market St., car break ins, dangerous street people, etc. we’re rampant then.
Now add 10 times the rent price, homeless crisis and dirtier streets. Moved back to nyc area.
Definitely did not say SF is the only place with farmers’ markets, LOL. But farmers’ markets are SUPPOSED to be locally grown. The usual definition is 100 miles. Now tell me, what is “locally grown” in Minnesota or Michigan or Wisconsin or Boston in the dead of winter? In fact, oranges, other citrus, and avocados should never be available at a true farmer’s market in any northeast, midwest or northwest market as it’d flunk the 100 mile (or 200 or 300 mile) test. We definitely have a lot more organic produce, more year ’round variety and lower prices for organic than most parts of the country **didn’t say all parts of the country all the time**. Sure, you can buy organic anywhere, and pay the price- but how FRESH is it? Grown a thousand miles away, shrink wrapped and trucked in. You missed that point big time.
Plenty of apples, maple syrup and dairy products, eggs are produced in New England sue. We get plenty of avocados, ethnic foods and other stuff at our farmer’s market in Copley Square, Back Bay Boston too.
Nice take
You might find this study interesting: looked at price differences in renting UHaul’s to/fro San Jose compared to a handful of cities, in an attempt to figure out the _where_ (though all speculation on the _why_ , which is nice to see in this blog)
https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/san-francisco-bay-area-experiences-mass-exodus-of-residents-reflected-in-one-way-u-haul-truck-rental-rates/
While no data on NYC, at the moment it’s equivalent. But how many folks UHaul cross country vs shipping company vs Craigslist it all and start over.